19 Nov 2006 From: Ian-R Moel Druman I wondered if anyone had more info, and the confirmation of 11m of reascent answers the question. When the mist descends, distances and heights can easily been misinterpreted. On top of which, I'd been across from Croesor via Cnicht, and had to admit defeat when I'd got this far (Allt Fawr had to wait another week). Maybe once my round is complete, I'll go back and have another look when the weather conditions are much better?